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		<title>By: Linda Hayes</title>
		<link>http://onlinebusinessnetworker.net/blog/2009/11/a-fatal-trap-on-linkedin/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Flyn.  OH boy!  Your comments are so true.  I have learned people want to get to know you, like you and then trust you before being dumped on with any sales line.  I have only been on Linkedin for 2 days so I am still learning my way around the site.  I WOULD appreciate any info on how to make people aware of what I have to offer WITHOUT anyone seeing it as me trying to sell to them.  Thank you for your valuable input.  Have a wonderful Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Flyn.  OH boy!  Your comments are so true.  I have learned people want to get to know you, like you and then trust you before being dumped on with any sales line.  I have only been on Linkedin for 2 days so I am still learning my way around the site.  I WOULD appreciate any info on how to make people aware of what I have to offer WITHOUT anyone seeing it as me trying to sell to them.  Thank you for your valuable input.  Have a wonderful Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Davis</title>
		<link>http://onlinebusinessnetworker.net/blog/2009/11/a-fatal-trap-on-linkedin/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts. I hadn&#039;t stopped to consider this effect
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts. I hadn&#8217;t stopped to consider this effect<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hatcher</title>
		<link>http://onlinebusinessnetworker.net/blog/2009/11/a-fatal-trap-on-linkedin/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Flyn

I would just like to say that I find Linkedin a great place to not only network internally but also to provide a place of testimonials to the outside world.  Having not been on it long I need all the help I can get and am so please to have your resources at hand.

Best regards


Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Flyn</p>
<p>I would just like to say that I find Linkedin a great place to not only network internally but also to provide a place of testimonials to the outside world.  Having not been on it long I need all the help I can get and am so please to have your resources at hand.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Flyn</title>
		<link>http://onlinebusinessnetworker.net/blog/2009/11/a-fatal-trap-on-linkedin/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Flyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan...

Thank you for your very interesting comments and perspective. Let me see if I can respond.

First of all let me say that seeing my profile header headline by itself in the context of this discussion leads me to believe that I should make an adjustment to the second sentence. It was originally intended to lead people to some free information on how to be more effective with one&#039;s marketing efforts on the web.

Second, a profile is a &quot;resume&quot; and there is no way around that. As a resume it should put forth information that would hopefully get people to engage you as a job candidate or vendor of some sort. So is there &quot;selling&quot; in one&#039;s profile, yes if for no other reason than its nature.

Third, I would agree with the statement &quot;If some one contacts me with information about what they do and offers me a service it is called marketing.&quot; but not on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a &quot;networking site&quot; and many people, no mater what definition we agree to will see such a message as SPAM. A message that forthrightly presents one products and services may be appropriate elsewhere but it will not be well received on LinkedIn and if you send enough of them you will get both complaints and probably tagged for SPAM. If you read the User Agreement they make it clear this is not  desired.

Fourth and possibly the most important point. As a networking site you want to increase both your exposure and accessibility in order to increase your opportunities. When you send such a message you can almost be assured that you lose access to the recipient&#039;s network -- he or she will not promote or pass you to others they know -- as no one wants to send a salesperson (except in very specific circumstances) to their contacts.

Because you have not started the relationship with an offer of value you will be perceived in a totally different way. Let&#039;s say for example the person you sent this to was not yet connected (1st level). How likely do you think the would be to respond with an invitation? I don&#039;t believe they would be very likely at all. However, if I send someone a note with some suggestions to improve their profile or website they will frequently ask me to connect. And they are very likely if asked to refer me to others.

It is in fact a very subtle line, but crossing makes you a prospector and closes off opportunities. Though you are correct, the workability of your method will be far less than the other way around.

I would welcome your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you for your very interesting comments and perspective. Let me see if I can respond.</p>
<p>First of all let me say that seeing my profile header headline by itself in the context of this discussion leads me to believe that I should make an adjustment to the second sentence. It was originally intended to lead people to some free information on how to be more effective with one&#8217;s marketing efforts on the web.</p>
<p>Second, a profile is a &#8220;resume&#8221; and there is no way around that. As a resume it should put forth information that would hopefully get people to engage you as a job candidate or vendor of some sort. So is there &#8220;selling&#8221; in one&#8217;s profile, yes if for no other reason than its nature.</p>
<p>Third, I would agree with the statement &#8220;If some one contacts me with information about what they do and offers me a service it is called marketing.&#8221; but not on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a &#8220;networking site&#8221; and many people, no mater what definition we agree to will see such a message as SPAM. A message that forthrightly presents one products and services may be appropriate elsewhere but it will not be well received on LinkedIn and if you send enough of them you will get both complaints and probably tagged for SPAM. If you read the User Agreement they make it clear this is not  desired.</p>
<p>Fourth and possibly the most important point. As a networking site you want to increase both your exposure and accessibility in order to increase your opportunities. When you send such a message you can almost be assured that you lose access to the recipient&#8217;s network &#8212; he or she will not promote or pass you to others they know &#8212; as no one wants to send a salesperson (except in very specific circumstances) to their contacts.</p>
<p>Because you have not started the relationship with an offer of value you will be perceived in a totally different way. Let&#8217;s say for example the person you sent this to was not yet connected (1st level). How likely do you think the would be to respond with an invitation? I don&#8217;t believe they would be very likely at all. However, if I send someone a note with some suggestions to improve their profile or website they will frequently ask me to connect. And they are very likely if asked to refer me to others.</p>
<p>It is in fact a very subtle line, but crossing makes you a prospector and closes off opportunities. Though you are correct, the workability of your method will be far less than the other way around.</p>
<p>I would welcome your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: ALLAN TIDWELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALLAN TIDWELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flyn seems to me your article A Fatal Trap on Linkedin is nothing more than selling.  You are using a verbal compilation in order to let people know who you are.  It makes no difference if you are selling a product or an image.

•	Example…. This article was submitted on November 17, 2009 at 09:47 AM PST
•	By Flyn Penoyer, LinkedIn Guru and Networking expert - Allow me help. Learn how to reduce your marketing costs while increasing revenues.

If some one contacts me with information about what they do and offers me a service it is called marketing.  It is just a different approach than you choose to take.  No more or less offensive than your approach.

If they continue to send message after message then it is spam. 

Communication is nothing more than selling.  And all of us selling should try to always use a value added approach to dealing with our customers and contacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flyn seems to me your article A Fatal Trap on Linkedin is nothing more than selling.  You are using a verbal compilation in order to let people know who you are.  It makes no difference if you are selling a product or an image.</p>
<p>•	Example…. This article was submitted on November 17, 2009 at 09:47 AM PST<br />
•	By Flyn Penoyer, LinkedIn Guru and Networking expert &#8211; Allow me help. Learn how to reduce your marketing costs while increasing revenues.</p>
<p>If some one contacts me with information about what they do and offers me a service it is called marketing.  It is just a different approach than you choose to take.  No more or less offensive than your approach.</p>
<p>If they continue to send message after message then it is spam. </p>
<p>Communication is nothing more than selling.  And all of us selling should try to always use a value added approach to dealing with our customers and contacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Bugler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Bugler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flyn,

Wonderful post and very illuminating. Boy have I been guilty of this one! It is so easy to fall into this trap in networking. I am truly grateful for your tact and insight. 

Malcolm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flyn,</p>
<p>Wonderful post and very illuminating. Boy have I been guilty of this one! It is so easy to fall into this trap in networking. I am truly grateful for your tact and insight. </p>
<p>Malcolm</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Norris Fields</title>
		<link>http://onlinebusinessnetworker.net/blog/2009/11/a-fatal-trap-on-linkedin/comment-page-1/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Norris Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed!  Your point is well stated.  It seems like simple courtesy to me.  I&#039;m glad to see that courtesy is still considered part of good &quot;netiquette.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed!  Your point is well stated.  It seems like simple courtesy to me.  I&#8217;m glad to see that courtesy is still considered part of good &#8220;netiquette.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you very good information</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you very good information</p>
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		<title>By: nick schklair</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick schklair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is super helpful. I am really trying to figure how to work in this media. It many ways, it&#039;s similar to going to a chamber of commerce event. Obviously, I would be turned off the first time I meet someone and he&#039;s trying to sell me something. Obviously, the relationship is the key and nurturing it will bring results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is super helpful. I am really trying to figure how to work in this media. It many ways, it&#8217;s similar to going to a chamber of commerce event. Obviously, I would be turned off the first time I meet someone and he&#8217;s trying to sell me something. Obviously, the relationship is the key and nurturing it will bring results.</p>
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		<title>By: michael Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree impression management is job1 on a social networking site.How to handle your anxiety about wanting to connect and prosper  so you can patiently add value to your group is the challenge to be faced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree impression management is job1 on a social networking site.How to handle your anxiety about wanting to connect and prosper  so you can patiently add value to your group is the challenge to be faced.</p>
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